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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's the Axion that some local contractors have, they said it's a great machine.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthReston001 wrote:
Sorry i dont agree about Claas being the best.

Xerion, Cougar, Lexion = Yes, the best.

Axion, Ares... uhhhh not so sure.

Renault... is not making crap. Look at the French fire service, ambulance service, highways agency, POLICE SERVICE... they ALL use Renault. Cheap and Very strong.

Ok so the Ares wasn't so good. But i'm not sure that the Ares was built by the same team as the Trucks and Cars?...

All round, Deere are probably the best. But for usefull tractors and combines.. it has to be Claas.


claas are john deeres (in a way) just more fuel effent
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danielthefarmer96 wrote:
claas are john deeres (in a way)

i'd like to see you try and explain that... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthReston001 wrote:
danielthefarmer96 wrote:
claas are john deeres (in a way)

i'd like to see you try and explain that... Rolling Eyes


the engines in the claas tractors are the same, but are more fuel efficient, we were told when we had a arion out on demo this year...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have to totally agree with rh

i like the gear levers in a ford 8340 but there a bit old now
i like the claas xerions looks but it costs so much
i like the john deere 6930 because of its relibility (or so it seems)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danielthefarmer96 wrote:
NorthReston001 wrote:
danielthefarmer96 wrote:
claas are john deeres (in a way)

i'd like to see you try and explain that... Rolling Eyes


the engines in the claas tractors are the same, but are more fuel efficient, we were told when we had a arion out on demo this year...


The 163 - 225 hp (ECE R24) tractor containing a John Deere engine and the Hexashift transmission with six ranges and four powershift stages.

Ah so basically it's a JD engine with a different exhaust. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

claas tractors are the same as renault. renault used john deere engines, oh so did claas, the only changed the body when everyonewas saying oh its a renault so they changed it. the many of the controls are still the same in the cab!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClaasJaguar wrote:
claas tractors are the same as renault. renault used john deere engines, oh so did claas, the only changed the body when everyonewas saying oh its a renault so they changed it. the many of the controls are still the same in the cab!

I always thought Renault used Deutz engines?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure Renault used John Deere engines i know the old heap we had at work had a Deere engine in it not sure if Claas used Deere engines when they took over.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah renault sure did have jd engines, when i went with one for a day i had a look at it and it was a john deere. i might look up what claas have now
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthReston001 wrote:
ClaasJaguar wrote:
claas tractors are the same as renault. renault used john deere engines, oh so did claas, the only changed the body when everyonewas saying oh its a renault so they changed it. the many of the controls are still the same in the cab!

I always thought Renault used Deutz engines?


well my renault has a 6910 engine and a massey 3100/3600/8100 backend....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthReston001 wrote:
Renault... is not making crap. Look at the French fire service, ambulance service, highways agency, POLICE SERVICE... they ALL use Renault. Cheap and Very strong.

Ok so the Ares wasn't so good. But i'm not sure that the Ares was built by the same team as the Trucks and Cars?...

All round, Deere are probably the best. But for usefull tractors and combines.. it has to be Claas.


as far as renault trucks go theyre absolute buckets of Sh*te, they struggle reversing up hills even with the dif on, theyre gutless, badly made and generally a complete waste of money,

i dont know anything about the tractors but i personally believe that claas is over-hyped they may be good but id much rather a jd or case-steyr but thats just my opinion
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

conor: They can't be that bad if all the emergency services use them. But i never said they were the best... Razz

mike, DJ: That's intresting. I once saw a Renault Ares lifeboat tractor which had a Deutz engine in it. Must have been a one off though, or perhaps the older Renaults used Deutz engines?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorthReston001 wrote:
conor: They can't be that bad if all the emergency services use them. But i never said they were the best... Razz

emergency services use them because they are cheap probably
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

magill wrote:
NorthReston001 wrote:
conor: They can't be that bad if all the emergency services use them. But i never said they were the best... Razz

emergency services use them because they are cheap probably

Yeah but, too crap -> break down -> need replacing again -> expensive. Plus you couldn't have a fire engine breaking down.. could risk peoples lives.

but whatever. I've got nothing against Renault personally. As far as commercial vehicles go, where i work they have a fair few Mercedes Sprinters which seem to last forever. Same Mercedes only make the Unimog, they could make brilliant Tractors.
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